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Changes - August 30th 2009
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Trevor
Knight
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
I am not saying that at all. I know how much server shit cost i just thought thats where the server begin. I am so thankful that you even take your time to host this for us but to many things are changing to fast imo.
Ryan;1949420 said:
I am not saying that at all. I know how much server shit cost i just thought thats where the server begin. I am so thankful that you even take your time to host this for us but to many things are changing to fast imo.
dude look at the times i posted 1 second after.Ryan;1949423 said:
shindig
Sorceror
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Unless you're using sallos you are going to get raped fighting around the guard lines, people can run half a screen with the pot chasing them and dismount right over the line. If you're not on sallos you can't see the line.
I don't care about AOE I just think pets should be same notoriety as the owner, so if you're in the middle of brit farms fighting a red and they dismount their mount is red.
Unless you're using sallos you are going to get raped fighting around the guard lines, people can run half a screen with the pot chasing them and dismount right over the line. If you're not on sallos you can't see the line.
I don't care about AOE I just think pets should be same notoriety as the owner, so if you're in the middle of brit farms fighting a red and they dismount their mount is red.
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
they ruined pvp tamers? good, IP wont be pking anymore i assume...
so they changed the way to time an idoc - boohoo. IP has enough players/time/money that this shouldnt even be a problem.
i agree with toofless harry, put in the random idoc timer it will allow for greater battles and less camping
Phallen;1949092 said:
they ruined pvp tamers? good, IP wont be pking anymore i assume...
so they changed the way to time an idoc - boohoo. IP has enough players/time/money that this shouldnt even be a problem.
i agree with toofless harry, put in the random idoc timer it will allow for greater battles and less camping
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Arguing about the change is pointless. The admins of server have stated how they feel about it. It was determined to be a bug in the code and once brought to their attention the bug was fixed. Item id was not intended to give you the ability to create a macro to give you a screen shot of the time a house went idoc so that you could calculate with in 5 mins of when it would fall. Item id is intended only to id items.
No amount of arguing is going to change it back. It was a bug. The bug is fixed. End of story.
Has anyone noticed the other changes? Like the AI changes to pets? I am interested in hearing some feedback on that or the pet skill gain changes.
Lets just stop going in circles because its not going to be changed back no matter how mad it makes you or how many times you hit reply.
Arguing about the change is pointless. The admins of server have stated how they feel about it. It was determined to be a bug in the code and once brought to their attention the bug was fixed. Item id was not intended to give you the ability to create a macro to give you a screen shot of the time a house went idoc so that you could calculate with in 5 mins of when it would fall. Item id is intended only to id items.
No amount of arguing is going to change it back. It was a bug. The bug is fixed. End of story.
Has anyone noticed the other changes? Like the AI changes to pets? I am interested in hearing some feedback on that or the pet skill gain changes.
Lets just stop going in circles because its not going to be changed back no matter how mad it makes you or how many times you hit reply.
Simon Cowell
Knight
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
I disagree with the changes as well. However what I disagree with most is what you just said. Staff are supposed to have better behavior and set an example. This is a perfect example on why some people disrespect staff because of the way they are treated back.
Since when is someone giving their opinions albeit some a little emotionally at times a bad thing? The day you stop getting any negative feed back is the day people don't care about the server.
P.S. I am not staff bashing just giving my opinion on what you said.
Countessa;1949338 said:
I disagree with the changes as well. However what I disagree with most is what you just said. Staff are supposed to have better behavior and set an example. This is a perfect example on why some people disrespect staff because of the way they are treated back.
Since when is someone giving their opinions albeit some a little emotionally at times a bad thing? The day you stop getting any negative feed back is the day people don't care about the server.
P.S. I am not staff bashing just giving my opinion on what you said.
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Ryan,
Could you please have your staff have a stated opinion on the AFK timers that will still be there (Either attended or unattended). I would like to see it be a staff obligation to move reported timers that way the timers, if truly unattended will have no shot at timing. Some people do leave their chars at a house to click it manually every 5 minutes, others do not. This would protect the players that are still timing legitimately and be an inconvenience, at the least, to those timing illegitimately.
Deal?
Ryan,
Could you please have your staff have a stated opinion on the AFK timers that will still be there (Either attended or unattended). I would like to see it be a staff obligation to move reported timers that way the timers, if truly unattended will have no shot at timing. Some people do leave their chars at a house to click it manually every 5 minutes, others do not. This would protect the players that are still timing legitimately and be an inconvenience, at the least, to those timing illegitimately.
Deal?
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Let's make a clear distinction here...
We are (as you can easily see) giving players the ability to express their opinions... shit talk staff members and do what they like because we realize changes evoke emotional responses from players. We understand that so we give some leniency on this... but the problem I have is that you don't think it's OK for staff to respond to such things? Is that really the case? You think it's OK for you and the other players to argue and call out staff members but when we make a change and we try to offer some feedback, smack some sense into someone or just albeit rage someone that's wrong? Sure in a perfect world the staff members would always set the example. In a perfect world I'd have hit the mega millions and pay every staff member 1 million dollars but guess what... the world is not perfect, they are not paid and they damn sure are allowed to have an opinion also.
I'm so tired of the hatred toward staff... maybe I'll fire them all and you'll just have to live without staff... how would that make the shard work?
Simon Cowell;1949443 said:
Let's make a clear distinction here...
We are (as you can easily see) giving players the ability to express their opinions... shit talk staff members and do what they like because we realize changes evoke emotional responses from players. We understand that so we give some leniency on this... but the problem I have is that you don't think it's OK for staff to respond to such things? Is that really the case? You think it's OK for you and the other players to argue and call out staff members but when we make a change and we try to offer some feedback, smack some sense into someone or just albeit rage someone that's wrong? Sure in a perfect world the staff members would always set the example. In a perfect world I'd have hit the mega millions and pay every staff member 1 million dollars but guess what... the world is not perfect, they are not paid and they damn sure are allowed to have an opinion also.
I'm so tired of the hatred toward staff... maybe I'll fire them all and you'll just have to live without staff... how would that make the shard work?
Simon Cowell
Knight
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
I agree that they should have an opinion but to intentionally antagonize someone isn't giving an opinion. It's trying to invoke a negative response for the delight of the person posting it (the original post I quoted). That's what I disagreed with, not her opinion which is valid whether I agree or disagree with it as that's her opinion.
Everyone has off days but when staff have off days it affects the player base.
I disagree with the change but I love the server so I'll just see how it goes and what the staff has planned.
Ryan;1949451 said:
I agree that they should have an opinion but to intentionally antagonize someone isn't giving an opinion. It's trying to invoke a negative response for the delight of the person posting it (the original post I quoted). That's what I disagreed with, not her opinion which is valid whether I agree or disagree with it as that's her opinion.
Everyone has off days but when staff have off days it affects the player base.
I disagree with the change but I love the server so I'll just see how it goes and what the staff has planned.
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
i'd like to see how this goes; i'm not in favor of the IDOC changes. but if this does in fact do what i think it will, decrease IDOC attendance and thus field-based pvp, then i'd like to see how it will be increased, as it is extremely low already and should be addressed.
i'd like to see how this goes; i'm not in favor of the IDOC changes. but if this does in fact do what i think it will, decrease IDOC attendance and thus field-based pvp, then i'd like to see how it will be increased, as it is extremely low already and should be addressed.
Global pilcher
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Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
I guess if there was better detectability of easyuo and other third party programs' abilities (thru packet logging, or something?) then there would be no 'timing' of houses at all, save for the dilligent work of the index finger.
Agreed, taking this 'razor' way of doing it unattended will push the auto-bots to use other programs to infiltrate.. as im sure it would take time/programming/resources to combat against use of rulebending outside programs.
Albiet, where there's a will, there's a way.. Always someone will be able to create or use some sort of program to take full technological advantage over their competitors.
I only use razor and never time houses afk. I think easyuo are cheaters and bastards. And those who script their pvp actions suck too. Sorry if i offended you Idoc'ers.. and yeah id like to see a random IDOC crash timer.. I sure as hell cant sit there 3 hours in a row, and dont intent to stick around longer than that. guys using easyuo know just when its gonna fall. It will be more random if noone knew when it fell.
+add detection of trainers(if possible)
+add random fall timer of idoc (why not, this would boggle the easyuolosers)
I guess if there was better detectability of easyuo and other third party programs' abilities (thru packet logging, or something?) then there would be no 'timing' of houses at all, save for the dilligent work of the index finger.
Agreed, taking this 'razor' way of doing it unattended will push the auto-bots to use other programs to infiltrate.. as im sure it would take time/programming/resources to combat against use of rulebending outside programs.
Albiet, where there's a will, there's a way.. Always someone will be able to create or use some sort of program to take full technological advantage over their competitors.
I only use razor and never time houses afk. I think easyuo are cheaters and bastards. And those who script their pvp actions suck too. Sorry if i offended you Idoc'ers.. and yeah id like to see a random IDOC crash timer.. I sure as hell cant sit there 3 hours in a row, and dont intent to stick around longer than that. guys using easyuo know just when its gonna fall. It will be more random if noone knew when it fell.
+add detection of trainers(if possible)
+add random fall timer of idoc (why not, this would boggle the easyuolosers)
Code Blue
Knight
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Why would they add a random idoc timer to cheaters who use easyuo.
Yes its an illegal program, but why on earth would they add a random timer when people use ghosts to tell when the house falls.
Should we put a ban on ghosts near idocs too?
People have a designated amount of time to refresh before their house falls...
People should not be punished for assholes that script.
Global pilcher;1949487 said:
Why would they add a random idoc timer to cheaters who use easyuo.
Yes its an illegal program, but why on earth would they add a random timer when people use ghosts to tell when the house falls.
Should we put a ban on ghosts near idocs too?
People have a designated amount of time to refresh before their house falls...
People should not be punished for assholes that script.
Farrel
Sorceror
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Well all I'v got out of this thread is at a IDOC you got Scripter on one side Timers on the other side and Players that are just out looking for random drops So I guess the Scripter are going to need new scripts, the Timers need to find a new way of timing and the other need to get a little better at PVPing Because the IDOC will fall and somebody will get it so Good Luck to you All
Well all I'v got out of this thread is at a IDOC you got Scripter on one side Timers on the other side and Players that are just out looking for random drops So I guess the Scripter are going to need new scripts, the Timers need to find a new way of timing and the other need to get a little better at PVPing Because the IDOC will fall and somebody will get it so Good Luck to you All
Anton Chigurh
Wanderer
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Well lets be honest. The item id method of timing idocs was developed (I believe) by an eq/ms member about 2 years ago. His name was Jermery/sunzu. His idea at the time was to try and develop a way to time idocs that WASN'T cheating and could be done legitimately. At that time we may have been the only people who knew about it. The reason we did not spread the word is not because we thought we were doing something"wrong." We thought we now a legit way to time idocs and if you weren't with us you would be forced to cheat to compete with our times; which is exactly what we wanted.
Now if Mark says this is a bug so be it it's a bug. But, we really believed (and rightfully so) that it would protect us from being jailed/banned for scripting idocs. We have had a few members get caught for scripting and the idea that we were all doing it was bad for business (and not true), so we actually went to great lengths to combat it with in our own guild and give people ways of doing things legit. This was one of those ways.
I think by now we have seen quite a few people are not pleased, as tessa said: the forums are only about 10% of the player base. It is incredible that you get that much feedback on things b/c consider that any normal polling that is done is usually taken from about 1000 people and generally believed to be within 5% points from true public option, a public that is about 300Mil people....
Now for my own option on the matter, I think is was a great change. Mind you I'm rich as shit atm and so are most of my guild mates. The last thing I want is for the average player to be able to time idocs well and get rich. I can afford to throw 100+ bolas a day, I don't need every tom dick and harry to be able to do the same. In my mind this is just like poker or anything else that diminishes wealth: it's always a boon to those that are already rich or know how to get rich in spite of it.
If I was your average player who wasn't rich I would be upset unless I was one of the ones willing to cheat to time idocs. So basically the only people who should be pleased with this change are those who cheat with easyuo or those who are already very rich. If you don't fall into one of those two categories then you're a fool if you're not against this.
jessen13;1949219 said:
Well lets be honest. The item id method of timing idocs was developed (I believe) by an eq/ms member about 2 years ago. His name was Jermery/sunzu. His idea at the time was to try and develop a way to time idocs that WASN'T cheating and could be done legitimately. At that time we may have been the only people who knew about it. The reason we did not spread the word is not because we thought we were doing something"wrong." We thought we now a legit way to time idocs and if you weren't with us you would be forced to cheat to compete with our times; which is exactly what we wanted.
Now if Mark says this is a bug so be it it's a bug. But, we really believed (and rightfully so) that it would protect us from being jailed/banned for scripting idocs. We have had a few members get caught for scripting and the idea that we were all doing it was bad for business (and not true), so we actually went to great lengths to combat it with in our own guild and give people ways of doing things legit. This was one of those ways.
Ajax;1949258 said:
I think by now we have seen quite a few people are not pleased, as tessa said: the forums are only about 10% of the player base. It is incredible that you get that much feedback on things b/c consider that any normal polling that is done is usually taken from about 1000 people and generally believed to be within 5% points from true public option, a public that is about 300Mil people....
Now for my own option on the matter, I think is was a great change. Mind you I'm rich as shit atm and so are most of my guild mates. The last thing I want is for the average player to be able to time idocs well and get rich. I can afford to throw 100+ bolas a day, I don't need every tom dick and harry to be able to do the same. In my mind this is just like poker or anything else that diminishes wealth: it's always a boon to those that are already rich or know how to get rich in spite of it.
If I was your average player who wasn't rich I would be upset unless I was one of the ones willing to cheat to time idocs. So basically the only people who should be pleased with this change are those who cheat with easyuo or those who are already very rich. If you don't fall into one of those two categories then you're a fool if you're not against this.
CBW
Sorceror
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Thanks again guys & gals for the hours you put into maintaining this server. Also going back & looking at things that have been already changed & tweaking.
As for the people complaining here...
You think too highly of your selves, the main reason a majority of people show up to IDOCs is a chance to bash your pathetic trammy guilds into the ground.
You horde items & houses... ROFL think people come to this server for pixels?
IP /<3/ MS/>$</g$s are just pot fodder. The ice cream on the cake is the fact a house is dropping when they show up in numbers.
Thanks again guys & gals for the hours you put into maintaining this server. Also going back & looking at things that have been already changed & tweaking.
As for the people complaining here...
You think too highly of your selves, the main reason a majority of people show up to IDOCs is a chance to bash your pathetic trammy guilds into the ground.
You horde items & houses... ROFL think people come to this server for pixels?
IP /<3/ MS/>$</g$s are just pot fodder. The ice cream on the cake is the fact a house is dropping when they show up in numbers.
Re: Changes - August 30th 2009
Oh, you flatter us with your post of nonsense. Trammy... Hmmm I am pretty sure a large percentage of the players in the IDOC guilds are made up of pre-Ren players. I like it when you kids say you played before trammel, were you even potty-trained yet when Trammel came out? I know Josey Wales and Bandit weren't. IDOCing was around before factions. IDOCing was around before Renaissance. IDOCing was around before Trammel.
Learn your OSI history please.
CBW;1949559 said:
Oh, you flatter us with your post of nonsense. Trammy... Hmmm I am pretty sure a large percentage of the players in the IDOC guilds are made up of pre-Ren players. I like it when you kids say you played before trammel, were you even potty-trained yet when Trammel came out? I know Josey Wales and Bandit weren't. IDOCing was around before factions. IDOCing was around before Renaissance. IDOCing was around before Trammel.
Learn your OSI history please.
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