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Robo-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
If tamers are going to continue to be over powered with bonded pets and such.. Then bring back the skill herding to make things semi-fair.
Yes, herding = griefing towards pamperd tamers. Anyone who knows what pvp is, and the concept of risk VS reward would agree with me on this.
If tamers are going to continue to be over powered with bonded pets and such.. Then bring back the skill herding to make things semi-fair.
Yes, herding = griefing towards pamperd tamers. Anyone who knows what pvp is, and the concept of risk VS reward would agree with me on this.
Re: Tamer Balance
I think what is being complained about here is the inability of dealing with pets in pvp type situations more so than anything. In this case there are many ways of dealing with this situation, you just have to figure them out. I haven't been on this shard for very long, but I played UO in the live version for many many years and found that tamers were actually quite easily to deal with. I think it's fine as it is.
Edit: I agree with the herding skill
I think what is being complained about here is the inability of dealing with pets in pvp type situations more so than anything. In this case there are many ways of dealing with this situation, you just have to figure them out. I haven't been on this shard for very long, but I played UO in the live version for many many years and found that tamers were actually quite easily to deal with. I think it's fine as it is.
Edit: I agree with the herding skill
MarcusO-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
1) Team hunting doesnt' work, except in rare instances. It's very hard to hook up with folks, if you only have an hour to play. I look at what OSI did to Deceit Lich Lords and I want to puke. They said they made them harder for "Teams" and guess what? No one went there anymore. Champ spawns are for teams, and look how underused they are. Get the idea? Teams are guilds, factions, and gank squads.
2a) Flat-rate Skill loss in Pets sucks. It should be graduated so that you don't lose so much at the high end. It's a killer to lose 0.2 at 90 magery. As a result, we have pets with far lower skills now. There's no point in training them too high.
2b) People don't lure pets because they think pets are unfair. People lure pets to fuck over the other player. It's griefing plain and simple. When a scumbag red brings his pets into Minoc cave to kill miners, I always take the extra 20 minutes to lure the mares away and screw the guy. I put them on a boat, wait for them to go wild, retame them. Actually, it's the only way to get mares now, unless you want to run around the Del woods for an hour each day...which is pointless and not fun.
Nowadays, if you lose your mare, you're fucked. Mine only go from stable to dungeon and back. I never use them for pvp anymore. I will sometimes tame a dragon for pvp. There's still lots of them.
3) Removing bonding is an awful idea. It takes a lot of work to tame and train a pet. What you're really saying is get rid of pet training.
What needs to happen imo is the following:
A) Stat (er skill) loss for reds ASAP (reduce red population)
B) Get the reds out of town (make them safe again)
C) Pets belonging to a red player should also be red
D) Pets (reds ones) that die should suffer massive stat loss
This would reduce reds and make farming on UOG a non-suicide mission, and draw a better (less griefer) contingent of players. Nowadays, the only folks that farm are the reds. Blues go to other UO servers for peaceful play, and come to UOG for forced-PVP excitement.
Zero...I honestly don't know where you're coming from, unless all you play is reds and are looking for ways to screw blue tamers. I'll take your points one at a time...zero said:
1) Team hunting doesnt' work, except in rare instances. It's very hard to hook up with folks, if you only have an hour to play. I look at what OSI did to Deceit Lich Lords and I want to puke. They said they made them harder for "Teams" and guess what? No one went there anymore. Champ spawns are for teams, and look how underused they are. Get the idea? Teams are guilds, factions, and gank squads.
2a) Flat-rate Skill loss in Pets sucks. It should be graduated so that you don't lose so much at the high end. It's a killer to lose 0.2 at 90 magery. As a result, we have pets with far lower skills now. There's no point in training them too high.
2b) People don't lure pets because they think pets are unfair. People lure pets to fuck over the other player. It's griefing plain and simple. When a scumbag red brings his pets into Minoc cave to kill miners, I always take the extra 20 minutes to lure the mares away and screw the guy. I put them on a boat, wait for them to go wild, retame them. Actually, it's the only way to get mares now, unless you want to run around the Del woods for an hour each day...which is pointless and not fun.
Nowadays, if you lose your mare, you're fucked. Mine only go from stable to dungeon and back. I never use them for pvp anymore. I will sometimes tame a dragon for pvp. There's still lots of them.
3) Removing bonding is an awful idea. It takes a lot of work to tame and train a pet. What you're really saying is get rid of pet training.
What needs to happen imo is the following:
A) Stat (er skill) loss for reds ASAP (reduce red population)
B) Get the reds out of town (make them safe again)
C) Pets belonging to a red player should also be red
D) Pets (reds ones) that die should suffer massive stat loss
This would reduce reds and make farming on UOG a non-suicide mission, and draw a better (less griefer) contingent of players. Nowadays, the only folks that farm are the reds. Blues go to other UO servers for peaceful play, and come to UOG for forced-PVP excitement.
Malik-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
Very good points!
Training a pet to GM skills is close to the same time spent gming the skills of 5 seperate characters on this shard. It takes a long time and a lot of bandaids.
Its not like anyone can chase you down with pets. They are slow and used for farming. It looks to me like a lot of pks are angry becuase they die to them trying to pick off a lowly tamer. Gimmie a break. This is a terrible poll.
MarcusO said:
Very good points!
Training a pet to GM skills is close to the same time spent gming the skills of 5 seperate characters on this shard. It takes a long time and a lot of bandaids.
Its not like anyone can chase you down with pets. They are slow and used for farming. It looks to me like a lot of pks are angry becuase they die to them trying to pick off a lowly tamer. Gimmie a break. This is a terrible poll.
MarcusO-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
Currently, Peacemaking is the tamer-griefing skill of choice...and my tamer hates the fact that it's not an aggessive act. In other words, any player can "peace" another's pet, rendering it inoperable for a while (30 secs?),
and then dump on the tamer. The pet stands nearby like a rock.
Robo,Robo said:
Currently, Peacemaking is the tamer-griefing skill of choice...and my tamer hates the fact that it's not an aggessive act. In other words, any player can "peace" another's pet, rendering it inoperable for a while (30 secs?),
and then dump on the tamer. The pet stands nearby like a rock.
Robo-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
The point is, they removed herding because tamers were crying about losing bonded pets. Boo hoo.... Do tamers need a bib too?
MarcusO said:
The point is, they removed herding because tamers were crying about losing bonded pets. Boo hoo.... Do tamers need a bib too?
reflex44-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
how about- if you kill the tamer, the pet stops attacking you? or does it already do that? if i see a tamer- i usually bolt. or gank him and invis.
how about- if you kill the tamer, the pet stops attacking you? or does it already do that? if i see a tamer- i usually bolt. or gank him and invis.
milva
Sorceror
Re: Tamer Balance
It is really "pointless" with being a tamer any more. Most tamers do not have eval or resist. If you vist any area any more to try and make some gp, its a waste of time and energy. Cause sure enough reds with gank- at least 3v1 , and your time spent will be trying to find a healer. If you go back, most will just res kill ya...
It is really "pointless" with being a tamer any more. Most tamers do not have eval or resist. If you vist any area any more to try and make some gp, its a waste of time and energy. Cause sure enough reds with gank- at least 3v1 , and your time spent will be trying to find a healer. If you go back, most will just res kill ya...
TropicalRift
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
keep them the same
keep them the same
Sam-hybrid
Knight
Re: Tamer Balance
keep em the same, i have 2 7x mares both with 525 str but i use them for hunting not killing, being a tamer pk is one stupid and 2 sad..
keep em the same, i have 2 7x mares both with 525 str but i use them for hunting not killing, being a tamer pk is one stupid and 2 sad..
ryland52586-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Tamer Balance
why would you remove bonding????? The fact that you work you butt off to train some of those animals would make it absolutely heartbreaking if you lost them everytime they died. It would be as if you had lost your main character after building him for over a year and having a shitload of rares.
why would you remove bonding????? The fact that you work you butt off to train some of those animals would make it absolutely heartbreaking if you lost them everytime they died. It would be as if you had lost your main character after building him for over a year and having a shitload of rares.
Lorelia de la Paz
Sorceror
Re: Tamer Balance
I feel that taming is just dandy the way it is
Buh-bye,
-Katina
I feel that taming is just dandy the way it is
Buh-bye,
-Katina
raithianellis
Sorceror
Re: Tamer Balance
Tamers are simply too good for just milking spawns. People can't hunt solo on this shard unless they're a tamer, because you'll get rolled over by roaming reds/tamers who kill you in 3 hits.
Tamers are simply too good for just milking spawns. People can't hunt solo on this shard unless they're a tamer, because you'll get rolled over by roaming reds/tamers who kill you in 3 hits.
raithianellis
Sorceror
Re: Tamer Balance
Bonding wasn't part of UO for a damn long time, and it helped the economy. By not having bonding, the price of exotic and good pets went up, balancing out the fact that tamers can milk spawns. Still a tamer could tame an animal themselves for free, but back on OSI many people just bought them. Just a bit on insight. I think removing bonding may help out the economy a bit.
ryland52586 said:
Bonding wasn't part of UO for a damn long time, and it helped the economy. By not having bonding, the price of exotic and good pets went up, balancing out the fact that tamers can milk spawns. Still a tamer could tame an animal themselves for free, but back on OSI many people just bought them. Just a bit on insight. I think removing bonding may help out the economy a bit.
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