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Cebrious Arcane-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Another dark day....
The craziest thing of all is that there is a waiting list to become a suicide bomber. There are more volunteers than there are bombs... The UK was most definitely a tragedy. But the true tragedy is the agenda of all those with the power to call the shots... on both sides.
Peace can't come from war. Submission definitely can, but true peace can never come from violence. Because with violence there is always a victim.
The craziest thing of all is that there is a waiting list to become a suicide bomber. There are more volunteers than there are bombs... The UK was most definitely a tragedy. But the true tragedy is the agenda of all those with the power to call the shots... on both sides.
Peace can't come from war. Submission definitely can, but true peace can never come from violence. Because with violence there is always a victim.
Prodigy-hybrid
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
Oh jesus christ, someone needs to take a deep breath. Maybe if you understood the reasoning behind the sarcasm, it was to illustrate killing terrorists won't do anything but spawn more terrorists.
Learn some D&D skills, learn some reading comprehension, and understand some people might have different views then you. 37 non consensual deaths is 37 non consensual deaths. I don't see you getting pissy about 37 other people dying, just this. You are the perfect example of why I am like this.
Let me guess, you are the type of person who hopped on the bandwagon patriotism after 9/11. You pay some factory in China for a yellow ribbon on your car that makes you feel patriotic. You say Support Our Troops without actually doing anything. You live in a shallow world, and think we are invincible from these kinds of attacks. **** happens, and telling those who don't agree with your exact opinion to die... ****, go live in Iraq for a year and then talk.
Furota said:
Oh jesus christ, someone needs to take a deep breath. Maybe if you understood the reasoning behind the sarcasm, it was to illustrate killing terrorists won't do anything but spawn more terrorists.
Learn some D&D skills, learn some reading comprehension, and understand some people might have different views then you. 37 non consensual deaths is 37 non consensual deaths. I don't see you getting pissy about 37 other people dying, just this. You are the perfect example of why I am like this.
Let me guess, you are the type of person who hopped on the bandwagon patriotism after 9/11. You pay some factory in China for a yellow ribbon on your car that makes you feel patriotic. You say Support Our Troops without actually doing anything. You live in a shallow world, and think we are invincible from these kinds of attacks. **** happens, and telling those who don't agree with your exact opinion to die... ****, go live in Iraq for a year and then talk.
Prodigy-hybrid
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
This seems a little tinfoil hat'ish to me. Could you point out where the US has committed genocide?
That is how the terrorists see it, respectively.
Unfortunately that's not how it is. We are welcomed in Iraq, we are rebuilding them better then it was before. Better schools, sanitation and technology. Unrestricted internet for the first time, telecommunications, the list is endless. Sure we placed a democratic government for them, but as they elect their own leaders, and adapt their own laws, how much is it still US placed? What about in 50 years when Iraq is self-sustaining and the U.S. presence is minimal?
The terrorists are fighting for their good, not the greater good. They want women to be oppressed, and only a select few to be in power. They, for some reason, think this is right. They think they are fighting for good, but they are too bent in their ways to see what they are doing. We invaded Iraq to remove the governing body. The insurgents are not Iraqis, they are foreign nationals.
The Shock and Awe campaign was a lesson learned from Vietnam. You can't go in with a gradual approach, especially where an insurgency is anticipated.
We blame the terrorists for starting a war. There were other means to get their agenda across, and they decided on train bombings/other terror tactics. Just because wars have been going on for thousands of years does not make it Ok.
I have no doubt about that list. There are millions of people around the world who hate the US.The military will beat another country into submission, we are damn good at it, thats what we do. There comes a point after the beating, where you must handle the victim. If you rebuild and nuture the victim, it can come back stronger and better then it was before.
This seems a little tinfoil hat'ish to me. Could you point out where the US has committed genocide?
Lord Bjorn said:
That is how the terrorists see it, respectively.
Unfortunately that's not how it is. We are welcomed in Iraq, we are rebuilding them better then it was before. Better schools, sanitation and technology. Unrestricted internet for the first time, telecommunications, the list is endless. Sure we placed a democratic government for them, but as they elect their own leaders, and adapt their own laws, how much is it still US placed? What about in 50 years when Iraq is self-sustaining and the U.S. presence is minimal?
The terrorists are fighting for their good, not the greater good. They want women to be oppressed, and only a select few to be in power. They, for some reason, think this is right. They think they are fighting for good, but they are too bent in their ways to see what they are doing. We invaded Iraq to remove the governing body. The insurgents are not Iraqis, they are foreign nationals.
The Shock and Awe campaign was a lesson learned from Vietnam. You can't go in with a gradual approach, especially where an insurgency is anticipated.
We blame the terrorists for starting a war. There were other means to get their agenda across, and they decided on train bombings/other terror tactics. Just because wars have been going on for thousands of years does not make it Ok.
I have no doubt about that list. There are millions of people around the world who hate the US.The military will beat another country into submission, we are damn good at it, thats what we do. There comes a point after the beating, where you must handle the victim. If you rebuild and nuture the victim, it can come back stronger and better then it was before.
Tay M'real
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
Oh how nieve we are...as a CIS major I have studied many computer languages including CoBOL, C, C++, C#, ASP, HTML, Java and PERL. I've also done Apache Web Management, Linux Administration, Oracle Database Management all outside of general curriculum, Networking and Software Development.
Know what you're talking about before posting....
Prodigy said:
Oh how nieve we are...as a CIS major I have studied many computer languages including CoBOL, C, C++, C#, ASP, HTML, Java and PERL. I've also done Apache Web Management, Linux Administration, Oracle Database Management all outside of general curriculum, Networking and Software Development.
Know what you're talking about before posting....
Tay M'real
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
This is your problem Prodigy. You don't understand what the discussion is about and why these acts are getting the attention. The news in the US has stories about people dying everyday, on every newscast, at 5 in the morning, 12 in the afternoon and 5 in the evening. People die from natural causes, this is nothing new...but isn't newsworthy. Most families, don't wish for their loved ones deaths to be plastered all over the news.
Now, when someone shoots someone else, we hear about it. I live in Georgia; and we hear all that time (becuase of the high gang activity in Atlanta) of children being shot and killed in crossfire. They receive the same news time, exposure, prayers and support from our community as Britain is receiving now. They have candlelight vigils for these victims and numbers to donate money and supplies to the family.
What makes the London bombing significant, is that (repeating myself for the 3rd time) the conflict was taken out of the middle east and put in the heart of that nation. The terrorists took it upon themselves to strike another against Britain during rushour on their buses and railways. The intention was to cause thousands of deaths in the manner of 9-11. You don't attack that type of area and hope for 40 people killed; two of their bombs never went off and were dismantled.
They're losing ground and have resorted to attacking a country with a significantly smaller number of troops, but have been (and god bless them) incredible allies with us. You are probably right, if a country like France or Germany had been attacked, the US wouldn't probably cover the story as much as London. But after the comments and lack of support from both countries at the beginning of the war, can you blame us? Britain has been a wonderful ally over the years and we have fought hard to go to their aid when needed, just as they have come to ours. We are not diminishing the value of human life anywhere, we are supporting those that have supported us.
Prodigy said:
This is your problem Prodigy. You don't understand what the discussion is about and why these acts are getting the attention. The news in the US has stories about people dying everyday, on every newscast, at 5 in the morning, 12 in the afternoon and 5 in the evening. People die from natural causes, this is nothing new...but isn't newsworthy. Most families, don't wish for their loved ones deaths to be plastered all over the news.
Now, when someone shoots someone else, we hear about it. I live in Georgia; and we hear all that time (becuase of the high gang activity in Atlanta) of children being shot and killed in crossfire. They receive the same news time, exposure, prayers and support from our community as Britain is receiving now. They have candlelight vigils for these victims and numbers to donate money and supplies to the family.
What makes the London bombing significant, is that (repeating myself for the 3rd time) the conflict was taken out of the middle east and put in the heart of that nation. The terrorists took it upon themselves to strike another against Britain during rushour on their buses and railways. The intention was to cause thousands of deaths in the manner of 9-11. You don't attack that type of area and hope for 40 people killed; two of their bombs never went off and were dismantled.
They're losing ground and have resorted to attacking a country with a significantly smaller number of troops, but have been (and god bless them) incredible allies with us. You are probably right, if a country like France or Germany had been attacked, the US wouldn't probably cover the story as much as London. But after the comments and lack of support from both countries at the beginning of the war, can you blame us? Britain has been a wonderful ally over the years and we have fought hard to go to their aid when needed, just as they have come to ours. We are not diminishing the value of human life anywhere, we are supporting those that have supported us.
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kottonmouth_02
Guest
Re: Another dark day....
Tony Blair is speaking right now...very interesting subjects. Going off topic a little about africa etc etc, but still very interesting. I'm interested to see his comments about what England is prepared to do about these attacks. And G8 as well. Whether theyre going to prepare more troops or keep them at the number theyre at. I'd hope this would be sort of a provocation to him and britain alike that they too are involved in this world terrorism problem. And now probably alot more then before.
Tony Blair is speaking right now...very interesting subjects. Going off topic a little about africa etc etc, but still very interesting. I'm interested to see his comments about what England is prepared to do about these attacks. And G8 as well. Whether theyre going to prepare more troops or keep them at the number theyre at. I'd hope this would be sort of a provocation to him and britain alike that they too are involved in this world terrorism problem. And now probably alot more then before.
Tay M'real
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
I like Tony Blair...he's a no nonsense straight forward guy. I especially liked the way he handled things yesterday. He was concerned and rightly so for the welfare of his nation and still was considerate of the issues at hand in G8 with global warming and African poverty...
kottonmouth_02 said:
I like Tony Blair...he's a no nonsense straight forward guy. I especially liked the way he handled things yesterday. He was concerned and rightly so for the welfare of his nation and still was considerate of the issues at hand in G8 with global warming and African poverty...
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kottonmouth_02
Guest
Re: Another dark day....
That was foolish. 9/11 wasn't a bandwagoner call. It was a WAKE UP CALL. Whether it was intended to be or not. It was a wake up call to america. To stand united. ONE NATION. This country I agree has been turning to **** for years. But it was a wakeup call to ALL americans to see our country and our freedom and APPRECIATE IT. Which most of us have ALL taken for granted. I took it for granted myself.
Yes I have a yellow ribbon on the back of my car. I have a pink one and a red white and blue one. I have a black and white one. But because of me having that and SUPPORTING that. Don't call me a ****ing bandwagoner...sure theres some out there that have it on the back of their cars and have no reasoning behind that really, but most of the people who have those stand for it and stand by it. BTW...on the package of those ribbons?
MADE IN AMERICA.
call me an american that was effected due to a tragedy because of my ignorancy, but has vowed to stop being ignorant and start being efficient.
Prodigy said:
That was foolish. 9/11 wasn't a bandwagoner call. It was a WAKE UP CALL. Whether it was intended to be or not. It was a wake up call to america. To stand united. ONE NATION. This country I agree has been turning to **** for years. But it was a wakeup call to ALL americans to see our country and our freedom and APPRECIATE IT. Which most of us have ALL taken for granted. I took it for granted myself.
Yes I have a yellow ribbon on the back of my car. I have a pink one and a red white and blue one. I have a black and white one. But because of me having that and SUPPORTING that. Don't call me a ****ing bandwagoner...sure theres some out there that have it on the back of their cars and have no reasoning behind that really, but most of the people who have those stand for it and stand by it. BTW...on the package of those ribbons?
MADE IN AMERICA.
call me an american that was effected due to a tragedy because of my ignorancy, but has vowed to stop being ignorant and start being efficient.
illuminate
Wanderer
Re: Another dark day....
Bla bla bla....I'm so full of myself.
Bla bla bla....I'm so full of myself.
Tay M'real
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
*claps* Your post is pointless...please have facts to back your claim.
Heros Fools and Merchants said:
*claps* Your post is pointless...please have facts to back your claim.
Don Montana
Wanderer
Read This
This is turning into another Vietnam, hard liners, and protestors. Neither side is completely correct, but a mix of the two. But for my 2 coppers, thake a hardline no compromise on the US's defense and safety, but stay the hell out of everyone else's business besides that. The assumption that we need to police the entire world, if what pisses lots of people off. Look at it this way: The middle East has the lowest suicide % in the world, the family system is accepted and in place, there is no divorce rate, no child-child killings (outside of terrorist actions). Sounds like the USA at it's prime. Now lets examine the US- School shootings, a rampant porno industry, corrupted politicians (you know it's true), 50% divorce rate, teenage mothers.....hell I know a girl I went to High School with that had an abortion at age TEN! So..... is it any suprise that they call us "The great Satan"? Now granted that terrorism is the weakest form of fighting known to man, but these same tactics were used by General Sherman in the American Civil War (anyone remember history here- Sherman's "Total War" tactic.) And don't protend that the USA has NEVER done anything terrorist like before, we have, just ask any Special Forces soldiers involved in Vietnam (including a member of my family). The point is, many values and truths depend on a certain point of view, and before you flame anyone for their opinions, take a step back and ask yourself why you feel the way you do. Then, if your heart tells you you are right, follow it, but remember that you MAY be wrong.
This is turning into another Vietnam, hard liners, and protestors. Neither side is completely correct, but a mix of the two. But for my 2 coppers, thake a hardline no compromise on the US's defense and safety, but stay the hell out of everyone else's business besides that. The assumption that we need to police the entire world, if what pisses lots of people off. Look at it this way: The middle East has the lowest suicide % in the world, the family system is accepted and in place, there is no divorce rate, no child-child killings (outside of terrorist actions). Sounds like the USA at it's prime. Now lets examine the US- School shootings, a rampant porno industry, corrupted politicians (you know it's true), 50% divorce rate, teenage mothers.....hell I know a girl I went to High School with that had an abortion at age TEN! So..... is it any suprise that they call us "The great Satan"? Now granted that terrorism is the weakest form of fighting known to man, but these same tactics were used by General Sherman in the American Civil War (anyone remember history here- Sherman's "Total War" tactic.) And don't protend that the USA has NEVER done anything terrorist like before, we have, just ask any Special Forces soldiers involved in Vietnam (including a member of my family). The point is, many values and truths depend on a certain point of view, and before you flame anyone for their opinions, take a step back and ask yourself why you feel the way you do. Then, if your heart tells you you are right, follow it, but remember that you MAY be wrong.
Re: Another dark day....
The ones in the Middle East who have no suicide rate, no child-child killings, etc, are the ones who are the peaceful ones. You can't fit people like Saddaam in that category. Who was it he killed, his brother in law? Brought him back from exile and killed his ***? And as for this war turning into another vietnam... The only way it can even be compared to Vietnam is our attitude at home. The guys over there are kicking *** for a good reason. They hit us first, over their twisted version of Islamic beliefs. The US responded. The only people raising hell are extremist leftists who think everything here is awful, the US is hell on earth, and do nothing but ***** and moan. They won't do anything about it but cry. If you don't like it, move the **** away. But they won't, because we have it sweet here. It's sad that 9-11 was our wake up call, and not but a few years later people try to act like it didn't exist and the war is for nothing. People woke up and fell back asleep. Have some pride in the country you live in. You may not like the opinions of our President or Senators or Congressmen or Judges, but at least we have the power to vote them out, and they can't stay in office forever. Just think, in other countries, you have to wait for one army to overthrow the current army. Yep, we just have it ****ing awful...
The ones in the Middle East who have no suicide rate, no child-child killings, etc, are the ones who are the peaceful ones. You can't fit people like Saddaam in that category. Who was it he killed, his brother in law? Brought him back from exile and killed his ***? And as for this war turning into another vietnam... The only way it can even be compared to Vietnam is our attitude at home. The guys over there are kicking *** for a good reason. They hit us first, over their twisted version of Islamic beliefs. The US responded. The only people raising hell are extremist leftists who think everything here is awful, the US is hell on earth, and do nothing but ***** and moan. They won't do anything about it but cry. If you don't like it, move the **** away. But they won't, because we have it sweet here. It's sad that 9-11 was our wake up call, and not but a few years later people try to act like it didn't exist and the war is for nothing. People woke up and fell back asleep. Have some pride in the country you live in. You may not like the opinions of our President or Senators or Congressmen or Judges, but at least we have the power to vote them out, and they can't stay in office forever. Just think, in other countries, you have to wait for one army to overthrow the current army. Yep, we just have it ****ing awful...
Prodigy-hybrid
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
I get the discussion perfectly well, and I'm saying the same thing. 37 non consensual deaths is 37 non consensual deaths.
Could you tell the parents of those kids shot in cross fire that the people who died in Britain were worth more because they died in the name of terrorism? I sure as hell couldn't.
And now I'm repeating myself. This has happened before. I don't recall the United States or any one of you getting this "sad" about the Madrid, Spain attacks. I don't recall any memorial set up for them. By a memorial, and the mass press coverage, it's saying "We value the lives of the Britains more then the Spainards." The 37 people who died in Britain is just as tragic as the 37x5 people who died in Spain. Not more, not less.
Tony Blair has a lot of charisma, I like him.
A lot of single women put them on their car. They think it looks cute, it's become a fashion statement. Just like those yellow LiveStrong bracelets. Does it make you feel proud you put a sticker on your car? How about sending care packages to soldiers? Donate to the USO/VFW/any one of the military groups.
By all means, continue appreciating and supporting America by having a sticker on your car, which doesn't actually do anything!
This is quite nice to hear.
With greater power, becomes a greater responsibility. If you have the power to stop someone being killed, I would hope you would take action.
They are so oppressed they are not allowed to. The "family system" that is in place does not allow the women to do anything, including get an education. They aren't allowed to get divorces buddy. If a child is murdered, then the government tortures the murderer. So it doesn't happen. Should we do this? I think not.
Damn freedom and the right to do what they want! (For those of you unintelligent enough to tell [Furota], that was sarcasm.)
The difference is we have an objective declared by a ruling government. We are always willing to go to the tables and negotiate. These terrorists want their way or no way, and conduct their war without ethics or morals.
This is why it is so complicated. They view themselves as freedom fighters. They believe in a lifestyle ruled by the Koran. They believe in a select few holding a military dictatorship over the millions. Just because they believe that is right, doesn't make it right.
TayM'real said:
I get the discussion perfectly well, and I'm saying the same thing. 37 non consensual deaths is 37 non consensual deaths.
Could you tell the parents of those kids shot in cross fire that the people who died in Britain were worth more because they died in the name of terrorism? I sure as hell couldn't.
And now I'm repeating myself. This has happened before. I don't recall the United States or any one of you getting this "sad" about the Madrid, Spain attacks. I don't recall any memorial set up for them. By a memorial, and the mass press coverage, it's saying "We value the lives of the Britains more then the Spainards." The 37 people who died in Britain is just as tragic as the 37x5 people who died in Spain. Not more, not less.
Tony Blair has a lot of charisma, I like him.
A lot of single women put them on their car. They think it looks cute, it's become a fashion statement. Just like those yellow LiveStrong bracelets. Does it make you feel proud you put a sticker on your car? How about sending care packages to soldiers? Donate to the USO/VFW/any one of the military groups.
By all means, continue appreciating and supporting America by having a sticker on your car, which doesn't actually do anything!
This is quite nice to hear.
Please vacate the thread.
With greater power, becomes a greater responsibility. If you have the power to stop someone being killed, I would hope you would take action.
They are so oppressed they are not allowed to. The "family system" that is in place does not allow the women to do anything, including get an education. They aren't allowed to get divorces buddy. If a child is murdered, then the government tortures the murderer. So it doesn't happen. Should we do this? I think not.
Damn freedom and the right to do what they want! (For those of you unintelligent enough to tell [Furota], that was sarcasm.)
The difference is we have an objective declared by a ruling government. We are always willing to go to the tables and negotiate. These terrorists want their way or no way, and conduct their war without ethics or morals.
This is why it is so complicated. They view themselves as freedom fighters. They believe in a lifestyle ruled by the Koran. They believe in a select few holding a military dictatorship over the millions. Just because they believe that is right, doesn't make it right.
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kottonmouth_02
Guest
Re: Another dark day....
prodigy are u an american?
prodigy are u an american?
Prodigy-hybrid
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
Yep.
Yep.
Lorthic
Knight
Re: Another dark day....
Actually, you're quite wrong in this instance. The deaths of others do not effect me directly, simply because I have lost so many that were directly related to me. It's the attitudes of the people that are what get me pissed off.
Now, you're wrong. Now, you're making assumptions based on someone you know nothing about.
Prodigy said:
Actually, you're quite wrong in this instance. The deaths of others do not effect me directly, simply because I have lost so many that were directly related to me. It's the attitudes of the people that are what get me pissed off.
Now, you're wrong. Now, you're making assumptions based on someone you know nothing about.
Prodigy-hybrid
Sorceror
Re: Another dark day....
That is a piss poor excuse for telling someone to die in a serious discussion. Go get some therapy. You need it bad.
Furota said:
That is a piss poor excuse for telling someone to die in a serious discussion. Go get some therapy. You need it bad.
Cebrious Arcane-hybrid
Wanderer
Re: Read This
I’ve read this entire thread man, and you assume, judge, and talk out of your äss in a vain attempt to boost your e-peen and hopefully get unbanned by attempting to sound reasonable.
Yes. 37 deaths are 37 deaths. If your conviction is so strong on that matter, leave it at that. At this point, you just come off as a condescending hypocrite.
This is a great post. Take some advice from Don, Prodigy. You judge the media as placing more value on the lives of those in the UK but the fact is that there was media coverage in Spain. There are articles written about the African genocide on a weekly, if not daily, basis. Your tragedy is that it appears that your knowledge comes from TV and a quick internet search and yet you assume you have some vast unshakable knowledge on the subject of world warfare and the media.
Now is the time to shut the fück up and respect those who choose to mourn this tragedy.
It’s Koran.Prodigy said:
You sir, are a hypocrite.Prodigy said:
I’ve read this entire thread man, and you assume, judge, and talk out of your äss in a vain attempt to boost your e-peen and hopefully get unbanned by attempting to sound reasonable.
Tay had you pegged on the 3rd page, and here you are still typing away and trying to insult Furota. I stress trying because it would be difficult to feel insulted from someone of your caliber.TayM'real said:
Yes. 37 deaths are 37 deaths. If your conviction is so strong on that matter, leave it at that. At this point, you just come off as a condescending hypocrite.
Don Montana said:
This is a great post. Take some advice from Don, Prodigy. You judge the media as placing more value on the lives of those in the UK but the fact is that there was media coverage in Spain. There are articles written about the African genocide on a weekly, if not daily, basis. Your tragedy is that it appears that your knowledge comes from TV and a quick internet search and yet you assume you have some vast unshakable knowledge on the subject of world warfare and the media.
Now is the time to shut the fück up and respect those who choose to mourn this tragedy.
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