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Heavy Smoker
Knight
Like I said "WANDS" are not the issue" SCRIPTING EXPLOSION LIGHTNING WAND is the issue... GH Wands are NEEDED for any type of small group/solo pvp... If you get stunned on the field solo you're fucking done, end of story.
Heavy Smoker
Knight
Also not everyone wants to play in big groups... I like a challenge I've always loved to solo and see how long I can survive... If there was no possible way to survive a gank I sure as hell wouldn't play and I've pvp'd here longer than anyone left.
Get2BirdsStonedAtOnce
Squire
The argument to keep wands because of ganks is crazy, just die or gm hiding! They are just going to use them also and devastate you with lightnings/explosions/bolas. Then you have solo pvpers who don't use wands and imagine those 1v1s. Many can because they have been on the receiving end of someone nonstop using g heal wands during a 1v1.
I have personally looted over 100 charges of Lightning and 30 charges of G heal off some pvpers (1 loot). Wands are abused too bad, and if you cannot see it then you must have biased views such as Heavy whom plays on Demise (which is geared more towards item based pvp, I can see why he would want to keep them).
Hopefully Ryan can make some type of poll, which informs players in game every time they log on to vote for a change to wands such as mana loss, fixed casting, timers, etc. Maybe could even set up a voting stone that keeps tally and allow people to vote like that (although would probably be manipulated by someone
).
I have personally looted over 100 charges of Lightning and 30 charges of G heal off some pvpers (1 loot). Wands are abused too bad, and if you cannot see it then you must have biased views such as Heavy whom plays on Demise (which is geared more towards item based pvp, I can see why he would want to keep them).
Hopefully Ryan can make some type of poll, which informs players in game every time they log on to vote for a change to wands such as mana loss, fixed casting, timers, etc. Maybe could even set up a voting stone that keeps tally and allow people to vote like that (although would probably be manipulated by someone
).
Get2BirdsStonedAtOnce
Squire
I personally do not see how one man surviving a gank squad should override a solo pvper using wands against another solo pvper. Seems the latter is a bigger problem.
Vizeroth
Sorceror
"All right, boys, I think it's time we set aside this whole "well-reasoned arguments" thing and ask random fucktards what we should do to finally solve the wand problem."
We'd be lost without your insight, bud. The great unwashed always know best.
Heavy Smoker
Knight
Simple fix, WIPE ALL WANDS FORCE PEOPLE TO GO HUNT FOR THEM IN DUNGEONS... FIX LIGHTNING WANDS TO HAVE A DELAY.. PROBLEM SOLVED, AND NOW PEOPLE ARE BACK IN DUNGEONS.... THANK ME LATER.
Boomshakalaka
Squire
how does adding in a delay to lightning wands fix anything for the solo pvper? What's stopping people from ganking him with spamming lightning wands, or even using a lightning wand on him during a 1v1?
You're still going to die to ganks at almost the same percentage without lightning wand delays.
Vizeroth
Sorceror
"An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem
- Bill: 'I believe that abortion is morally wrong.'
Dave: 'Of course you would say that, you're a priest.'
Bill: 'What about the arguments I gave to support my position?'
Dave: 'Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say.'"
Hope this helps, small fry. We'll educate you yet.
of no importance
Sorceror
(Incoming giant wall of text) in the end i have no horse in this race, i long for template variance and a more diverse population to fight against, those dreams will likely stay dreams. Everyone can use what ever they need to in order to play. If this game was only me and 20 other people who were juiced to the 9's and using modified cheating clients, i'd still play. Spare time is the only thing that keeps me off the game, i frequently run out of it. The end goal would be to make changes that help the most groups while negatively affecting the least. Those changes seem more in line with vizeroth's ideas about having them function differently for pvm and pvp based on the # of attackers etc. If such changes are feasible, that's the method i'd go with. Just my 2 cents Enjoy the wall of text.
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As far as i can tell, i have the oldest active account in game. I have only used wands recently, which accounts for 10% of my time or less that i have played on the server. Even now i rarely use more than lightning wands, and frequently forget to use them when i do have them. This is a sad come to terms for me, because now the standard parlance in a group fight is to offscreen when you see your reflect being hit, and gheal wand yourself without even bothering to try to offscreen. I might add i'm not a fan. So the only counter is stun's and lighting wands to try to keep up with the races.
Ganks have existed since day 1, in fact when we had a 1k+ player base they were more common than now, not less. Suffice to say i have been ganked quite a bit. There was months at a time where i was the only person i knew still playing, so i'd solo.
People try to claim the games evolved and folks are more skillfull - that has not been my experience. Some of the best i have fought on production uo pre-UOG even existing, were as good or better than the best i've fought on hybrid. The average player is more skillful, because most of the casuals stopped playing. So you end up fighting better caliber of pvpers in a general sense, but those who min/max the game have always done so and the top 1% would still be as good now as then.
Wands are fine for a soloist to enhance their ability to kill, they are fine to enhance their ability to live. The abuse comes from the gankers using them as well. Nothing is more frustrating than almost killing a sloppy group of 3 (well 1 of them anyhow) to have them gheal wand instead of cross healing - while offscreening your solo dump or 2 man group. When an ability can be abused a certain % will do so. Reflect/stat jewelery was a treat back on production uo.
With all that being said, I have never had problems surviving on UO, solo or otherwise. Even now I don't use gheal charges, and i do die, and have always died on occasion, in fact such wands might have caused me to live, most assuredly live longer. But i have never had problems avoiding ganks. Using terrain, teleport, lesser poison and well timed explo pots to disrupt dumps. All in the name of living, in fact i often try to prep a gheal when they go in for the stun, sloppy 3-4 man groups can be healed with just a gheal and heal pot. I can even remember a time on UO (including UOG) where the majority of people only used pots in ganks or group fights, even remember 2v2 tourny's with 7x standard rules (good luck getting someone to do a 2's without cure pots / heal pots now-a-days). My point is, that while i can see the advantage of wands for a soloist, don't try to tell me fighting solo without them is a near impossible task. I still even now, against wands, still can do so without any. I wont always get a way, i was para ganked a few days ago cause i only had 2 pouches and could only heal 2 synchs before they finally got me para'd without a gheal up. It will happen for sure, death will occur. Just don't try to sell me a BS story about what cannot be done without wands and expect me to believe you. I use to field dexers and only use pots when getting ganked, i'd wisely use mana and magery (i even still have a med macer dexer, that you can see getting killed in a chubby chaser video, where the 5 minutes i had him running for his life was expertly edited out). Of course it was easier in times when not everyone was using bola tamers, lightning wands and explo pots - i am not trying to deny that for a time surviving a gank was much easier when everyone wasn't going for broke. But i have from day 1 on this server to this week survived ganks without g heal wands. Trust me folks, it's just as possible now as it always has been, maybe harder - but those who see my videos or have played with / against me know i'm not min/maxing anything, i'm just a scrub who logs in for a good time.
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As far as i can tell, i have the oldest active account in game. I have only used wands recently, which accounts for 10% of my time or less that i have played on the server. Even now i rarely use more than lightning wands, and frequently forget to use them when i do have them. This is a sad come to terms for me, because now the standard parlance in a group fight is to offscreen when you see your reflect being hit, and gheal wand yourself without even bothering to try to offscreen. I might add i'm not a fan. So the only counter is stun's and lighting wands to try to keep up with the races.
Ganks have existed since day 1, in fact when we had a 1k+ player base they were more common than now, not less. Suffice to say i have been ganked quite a bit. There was months at a time where i was the only person i knew still playing, so i'd solo.
People try to claim the games evolved and folks are more skillfull - that has not been my experience. Some of the best i have fought on production uo pre-UOG even existing, were as good or better than the best i've fought on hybrid. The average player is more skillful, because most of the casuals stopped playing. So you end up fighting better caliber of pvpers in a general sense, but those who min/max the game have always done so and the top 1% would still be as good now as then.
Wands are fine for a soloist to enhance their ability to kill, they are fine to enhance their ability to live. The abuse comes from the gankers using them as well. Nothing is more frustrating than almost killing a sloppy group of 3 (well 1 of them anyhow) to have them gheal wand instead of cross healing - while offscreening your solo dump or 2 man group. When an ability can be abused a certain % will do so. Reflect/stat jewelery was a treat back on production uo.
With all that being said, I have never had problems surviving on UO, solo or otherwise. Even now I don't use gheal charges, and i do die, and have always died on occasion, in fact such wands might have caused me to live, most assuredly live longer. But i have never had problems avoiding ganks. Using terrain, teleport, lesser poison and well timed explo pots to disrupt dumps. All in the name of living, in fact i often try to prep a gheal when they go in for the stun, sloppy 3-4 man groups can be healed with just a gheal and heal pot. I can even remember a time on UO (including UOG) where the majority of people only used pots in ganks or group fights, even remember 2v2 tourny's with 7x standard rules (good luck getting someone to do a 2's without cure pots / heal pots now-a-days). My point is, that while i can see the advantage of wands for a soloist, don't try to tell me fighting solo without them is a near impossible task. I still even now, against wands, still can do so without any. I wont always get a way, i was para ganked a few days ago cause i only had 2 pouches and could only heal 2 synchs before they finally got me para'd without a gheal up. It will happen for sure, death will occur. Just don't try to sell me a BS story about what cannot be done without wands and expect me to believe you. I use to field dexers and only use pots when getting ganked, i'd wisely use mana and magery (i even still have a med macer dexer, that you can see getting killed in a chubby chaser video, where the 5 minutes i had him running for his life was expertly edited out). Of course it was easier in times when not everyone was using bola tamers, lightning wands and explo pots - i am not trying to deny that for a time surviving a gank was much easier when everyone wasn't going for broke. But i have from day 1 on this server to this week survived ganks without g heal wands. Trust me folks, it's just as possible now as it always has been, maybe harder - but those who see my videos or have played with / against me know i'm not min/maxing anything, i'm just a scrub who logs in for a good time.
The Monk231
Wanderer
nigga u don't even play on hybrid, the last time I seen u log on u were fresh rezzed ran to brit bank and sat there, I kno u was fresh rezzed cuz when your died you had nothing on u, obviously u wont win 1v3 possibly win 1v2. If you do win its cuz you fought 3 random people who never pvp wands are not needed...(wanted yes)
The Monk231
Wanderer
you*
Boomshakalaka
Squire
dude vizeroth did you take some logic class at community college and just decide to quote other people's definitions instead of articulating your own arguments to counter somebody's points? Every time I bring something up, you just deflect and avoid.
So far, you've brought nothing to the table in terms of idea or reasonable discussion on game topics. We get that you want to keep your min maxing, item loving builds that other people arent rich enough or gay enough to use, but at this point its just sad.
So far, you've brought nothing to the table in terms of idea or reasonable discussion on game topics. We get that you want to keep your min maxing, item loving builds that other people arent rich enough or gay enough to use, but at this point its just sad.
The Monk231
Wanderer
the whole reason I stated you were fresh rezzed is cuz nigga u don't even stock your character anymore, so for a person who dosent play comes up telling people whats wrong with a server he is no longer on is hysterical.
amtothepm
Knight
jizz is an alcoholic
DaveyWavey305
Traveler
you have been reported for not understanding enough about pvp. Please don't post your PVM minded thoughts anymore.
Outkast KBR
Traveler
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