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how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
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Lucifall
Knight
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
Yes. Their build dont have meditation since their lightning strike with HML 50% leech all the mana they need. Oh, spells barely hit them and they even do worse combos than the actual mages. Like... nerve strike spam + explo + fs + LS. Not to mention they are dexxers and their weapons have hit spell over +40 and bokutos have uber speed.
Yes. Their build dont have meditation since their lightning strike with HML 50% leech all the mana they need. Oh, spells barely hit them and they even do worse combos than the actual mages. Like... nerve strike spam + explo + fs + LS. Not to mention they are dexxers and their weapons have hit spell over +40 and bokutos have uber speed.
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
I only use mages , and its very easy to get killed against a dexxer . Mages must stop to cast and defend, or to heal, which leaves the dexxer standing right next to them going to town. If mages are 1/2 (why the f is it said like this its always recover first) excuse me 2/1 then the dexxers swing rate would have to be reduced considerably as well. 6/2 casting isnt all that fast (try 6/6). Ill tell you what Red Squirrel ill take off my 6/2 gear if you lower your dex to 20
I only use mages , and its very easy to get killed against a dexxer . Mages must stop to cast and defend, or to heal, which leaves the dexxer standing right next to them going to town. If mages are 1/2 (why the f is it said like this its always recover first) excuse me 2/1 then the dexxers swing rate would have to be reduced considerably as well. 6/2 casting isnt all that fast (try 6/6). Ill tell you what Red Squirrel ill take off my 6/2 gear if you lower your dex to 20
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
Mages are stronger because they take skill.
To xaxas, red squirrel, and anybody else who think a mage and dexer should be equally matched: no.
Dexer playstyle:
Defensive:
Hit a bandaid every X seconds if health < max
Maybe spirit speak if you get too low.
Run like hell
Offensive:
Prep one of two special attacks
Get close enough to hit somebody.
Mages:
So many variables
Defensive:
mini heal, mini cure, greater heal, or arch cure?
stay on screen or run away?
defensive stun?
defensive disarm?
spam small spells like weaken (against a mage, esp. if mortaled)?
Offensive:
weapon abilities? (stun/disarm)
explosion combo or straight spam combo?
get close enough to harm?
is target about to finish a bandaid? if so, bleed or nox
somebody won't stop running? para, cross-field
And that's just what came to mind in the 5 minutes it took to write this little rant after seeing that i've been quoted in xaxa's sig. Yes, mages are overpowered because it's hard to play a mage. If it was easy to play an overpowered template everybody would do it (e.g. stampeders, death strike archers, and ki attack archers).
Mages are stronger because they take skill.
To xaxas, red squirrel, and anybody else who think a mage and dexer should be equally matched: no.
Dexer playstyle:
Defensive:
Hit a bandaid every X seconds if health < max
Maybe spirit speak if you get too low.
Run like hell
Offensive:
Prep one of two special attacks
Get close enough to hit somebody.
Mages:
So many variables
Defensive:
mini heal, mini cure, greater heal, or arch cure?
stay on screen or run away?
defensive stun?
defensive disarm?
spam small spells like weaken (against a mage, esp. if mortaled)?
Offensive:
weapon abilities? (stun/disarm)
explosion combo or straight spam combo?
get close enough to harm?
is target about to finish a bandaid? if so, bleed or nox
somebody won't stop running? para, cross-field
And that's just what came to mind in the 5 minutes it took to write this little rant after seeing that i've been quoted in xaxa's sig. Yes, mages are overpowered because it's hard to play a mage. If it was easy to play an overpowered template everybody would do it (e.g. stampeders, death strike archers, and ki attack archers).
theindigothief
Sorceror
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
So. I have one question to ask you. Do you have a macro for spamming? I.E. mini-heals and MA+Fireball? If so then last time I checked just running macroes to spam and own isn't quite skill. By macro I mean where it spams for you . . . not the generic macros.
Before anyone claims that it takes skill here should play Demise with no fc/fcr. There you can't pwn on the run or have a macro do everything for you. most, but not everything.
So. I have one question to ask you. Do you have a macro for spamming? I.E. mini-heals and MA+Fireball? If so then last time I checked just running macroes to spam and own isn't quite skill. By macro I mean where it spams for you . . . not the generic macros.
Before anyone claims that it takes skill here should play Demise with no fc/fcr. There you can't pwn on the run or have a macro do everything for you. most, but not everything.
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
Thats pointless. There are macros that apply bandies for you too.
No, its not players' fault that they play overpowered templates. Its just like saying "omg, dont play a tamer, its overpowered in pvm, go pwn that AW para with a 7xGM meleer in an except spined suit"
Its OSI's fault that they are absolutely blind for the facts: get 2 eaqually good players, give them a warrior and a mage, let them be on eaqual pings and the mage will win. That is not right. I'd LOVE it if OSI made warriors harder to play, but more efficient also. That will never happen tho :/
IMO a duel between a mage and a dexxer should be a tier if the odds are not highly in favor of one of them (items, ping, skill, etc.). Now duels between mages are close to that. Duels between warriors also. Duels between a mage & a warrior are not.
theindigothief said:
Thats pointless. There are macros that apply bandies for you too.
No, its not players' fault that they play overpowered templates. Its just like saying "omg, dont play a tamer, its overpowered in pvm, go pwn that AW para with a 7xGM meleer in an except spined suit"
Its OSI's fault that they are absolutely blind for the facts: get 2 eaqually good players, give them a warrior and a mage, let them be on eaqual pings and the mage will win. That is not right. I'd LOVE it if OSI made warriors harder to play, but more efficient also. That will never happen tho :/
IMO a duel between a mage and a dexxer should be a tier if the odds are not highly in favor of one of them (items, ping, skill, etc.). Now duels between mages are close to that. Duels between warriors also. Duels between a mage & a warrior are not.
OutOfReiatsu
Wanderer
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
Last time I checked all types of toons require skill to play them good. If you think that playing a dexxer is all about running around and hitting the bandage/special skill macro you're wrong.
And most mages use about 10% of their spell arsenal, now that's "skill".
lolz0rak said:
Last time I checked all types of toons require skill to play them good. If you think that playing a dexxer is all about running around and hitting the bandage/special skill macro you're wrong.
And most mages use about 10% of their spell arsenal, now that's "skill".
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
10% = 6.4 spells -- i'll list the arsenal that i use frequently
First Circle: (4)
Weaken
Heal
Magic Arrow
Reactive Armor
Second Circle: (2)
Cure
Harm
Third Circle: (5)
Bless
Fireball
Poison
Teleport
Wall of Stone
Fourth Circle: (5)
Arch Cure
Curse
Greater Heal
Lightning
Recall
Fifth Circle: (6)
Blade Spirit
Dispel Field
Magic Reflection
Mind Blast
Paralyze
Nox Field
Sixth Circle: (7)
Dispel
Energy Bolt
Explosion
Invisibility
Mass Curse
Paralyze Field
Reveal
Seventh Circle: (5)
Energy Field
Flame Strike
Gate Travel
Mass Dispel
Meteor Swarm
Eigth Circle: (3)
Energy Vortex
Resurrection
Summon Daemon
Now, I'm no math major but i think 37 > 6.4.
Now, let's compare that to a dexer:
Bandaid
Bushido Confidence
Chivalry Concecrate Weapon
Chivalry Divine Fury
that it? One action that requires a target and 3 buff spells that you can tap quickly while running?
Both templates use weapon abilities, so that's not a difference.
Both templates can have necro, so that's not a difference.
Yeah, a mage takes MORE skill to play than a dexer -- a lot more.
10% = 6.4 spells -- i'll list the arsenal that i use frequently
First Circle: (4)
Weaken
Heal
Magic Arrow
Reactive Armor
Second Circle: (2)
Cure
Harm
Third Circle: (5)
Bless
Fireball
Poison
Teleport
Wall of Stone
Fourth Circle: (5)
Arch Cure
Curse
Greater Heal
Lightning
Recall
Fifth Circle: (6)
Blade Spirit
Dispel Field
Magic Reflection
Mind Blast
Paralyze
Nox Field
Sixth Circle: (7)
Dispel
Energy Bolt
Explosion
Invisibility
Mass Curse
Paralyze Field
Reveal
Seventh Circle: (5)
Energy Field
Flame Strike
Gate Travel
Mass Dispel
Meteor Swarm
Eigth Circle: (3)
Energy Vortex
Resurrection
Summon Daemon
Now, I'm no math major but i think 37 > 6.4.
Now, let's compare that to a dexer:
Bandaid
Bushido Confidence
Chivalry Concecrate Weapon
Chivalry Divine Fury
that it? One action that requires a target and 3 buff spells that you can tap quickly while running?
Both templates use weapon abilities, so that's not a difference.
Both templates can have necro, so that's not a difference.
Yeah, a mage takes MORE skill to play than a dexer -- a lot more.
Red Squirrel
Wanderer
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
All templates require skill.
But main thing is, dexers miss all the time (that's if they don't get disarmed), mages NEVER miss. That alone, besides other factors, puts mages at a big advantage. Once they get evasion to work, then bushido dexxers may have a bit of a better chance, but a dexxer without bushido will still be in the same situation.
All templates require skill.
But main thing is, dexers miss all the time (that's if they don't get disarmed), mages NEVER miss. That alone, besides other factors, puts mages at a big advantage. Once they get evasion to work, then bushido dexxers may have a bit of a better chance, but a dexxer without bushido will still be in the same situation.
theindigothief
Sorceror
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
You left out the skill it takes to actually get close enough to attack. Instead on being on screen with your macro that auto-casts and targets . . . we actually have to run you down. I believe that takes a lot of skill. Or do you think it takes no skill to catch someone?
So yeah, I think you DEFFINATELY missed that. Oh, and half the time when we catch you we wiff. Then another 35% of the time we catch you and not wiff . . . you parry. So yeah . . . .
You left out the skill it takes to actually get close enough to attack. Instead on being on screen with your macro that auto-casts and targets . . . we actually have to run you down. I believe that takes a lot of skill. Or do you think it takes no skill to catch someone?
So yeah, I think you DEFFINATELY missed that. Oh, and half the time when we catch you we wiff. Then another 35% of the time we catch you and not wiff . . . you parry. So yeah . . . .
theindigothief
Sorceror
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
Do you want this to go to the Lich Lords? Because to be frank, don't try flaming someone unless you know who the hell they are. Yes, I go to Fel. Yes, I have fought mages. Yes, I also play Hybrid. Yes, I was actually a good pvper on OSI's Atlantic. I was also old school pvper on LS before 2000.
If you are refering to the specials that mages use in your petty attempt to flex your pvp knowledge. . . they are more deffensively used. Since of course, the dexxer must in fact run to you. Thus allowing a mage to barrage the dexxer before the dexxer can even hope to wiff.
Do you want this to go to the Lich Lords? Because to be frank, don't try flaming someone unless you know who the hell they are. Yes, I go to Fel. Yes, I have fought mages. Yes, I also play Hybrid. Yes, I was actually a good pvper on OSI's Atlantic. I was also old school pvper on LS before 2000.
If you are refering to the specials that mages use in your petty attempt to flex your pvp knowledge. . . they are more deffensively used. Since of course, the dexxer must in fact run to you. Thus allowing a mage to barrage the dexxer before the dexxer can even hope to wiff.
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
What? Your avg mage in fel has about 20 - 30 dci, your avg dexer has 30+ hci. You range at about a 50/50% chance to hit. Considering you use a fast weapon ( which most dexers do in fel ) thats a pretty damn good hit percentage.
Parry? Name one notable or common fel pvp mage that has the skill parrying. I think what you refering to is the base 20 parry that all humans recieve.
With 20 base parry you recieve a 2% chance to parry.
theindigothief said:
Do you know how many dexers I have to chase from city to city to kill? Do I think that makes me skilled chasing them down? No. So naturally I apply that to you.theindigothief said:
theindigothief said:
What? Your avg mage in fel has about 20 - 30 dci, your avg dexer has 30+ hci. You range at about a 50/50% chance to hit. Considering you use a fast weapon ( which most dexers do in fel ) thats a pretty damn good hit percentage.
Parry? Name one notable or common fel pvp mage that has the skill parrying. I think what you refering to is the base 20 parry that all humans recieve.
With 20 base parry you recieve a 2% chance to parry.
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
Its the fact that dexxers need alot more than most people admit: a good timing of specials (we dont have infinite mana to just spam those AI's you know), a good timing of pots/cures/spirit speaks/whatever, a good means of disrupting a mage's attempt to toast us after he disarm us, a good way to inflict more damage than a mage can heal in a time unit, etc.
Not to mention that if I list my arsenal it will be more than 37/64 in a %
Having bushido, necro and the rest offers many possibilities and develops different playstyles, even the blindest of you cant deny that its not just d-clicking someone, running after him with an euo healing macro on and tapping the specials hotkey. It IS alot more than that.
I still refuse to accept that warriors should be bashed like skillless templates simply because they are (unproved) easier to play than a mage. When we're given an option then talk about it. As for now I dont think someone can think himself "worthy" to be overpowered against someone else. Its just plain wrong.
Its the fact that dexxers need alot more than most people admit: a good timing of specials (we dont have infinite mana to just spam those AI's you know), a good timing of pots/cures/spirit speaks/whatever, a good means of disrupting a mage's attempt to toast us after he disarm us, a good way to inflict more damage than a mage can heal in a time unit, etc.
Not to mention that if I list my arsenal it will be more than 37/64 in a %
Having bushido, necro and the rest offers many possibilities and develops different playstyles, even the blindest of you cant deny that its not just d-clicking someone, running after him with an euo healing macro on and tapping the specials hotkey. It IS alot more than that.
I still refuse to accept that warriors should be bashed like skillless templates simply because they are (unproved) easier to play than a mage. When we're given an option then talk about it. As for now I dont think someone can think himself "worthy" to be overpowered against someone else. Its just plain wrong.
theindigothief
Sorceror
Re: how a warrior/pal (without nec & mage skill) defeat a wrestling mage in duel ?
I reiterate. It takes SKILL to get within one tile of someone. Not One screen. K,thnx.
I reiterate. It takes SKILL to get within one tile of someone. Not One screen. K,thnx.